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Something I've been wondering for quite some time, and I'm not sure if I should be asking questions like this yet...well it bothers me.

Religion may be a great source of information in some cases, on the other hand... Well what if an otherkin awakens in a strict Christian, Muslim, whatsoever enviroment... I, for one grew up in what could be considered the "bible belt" of the Netherlands, and as a fact people don't take kindly here to any path or belief other than the Christian faith. By no means do I mean to condemn religion, I'm open to a lot of things, it's just... Out here you're shunned for as much as being Wiccan, let alone Otherkin... Now of course there are those among you who will argue that it is possible to be Christian and Vampyric, for one... Yet the enviroment they're in, the enviroment they've been raised in, wouldn't that make it even more difficult to accept who they are?

Think about it...

Sed.

I personally do not understand how anyone can say they belong to any mainstream religion, any of them, just pick one, and believe in god, AND be a Vampire/Otherkin aswell.
Since these religions all say that creatures such as Vampires are evil demons, unclean, Satan's helpers, spawn of the Devil, blah blah blah blah blah..............And therefore must be destroyed, how could anyone be both? You betray both with every breath you take, denying one to lay claim to the other.
As for being brought up in a religious environment and believing yourself to be Otherkin of somekind. THAT, must be the closest thing to a true hell on earth!

First of all ...To what C.T.M. said:
I absolutely agree.

Now Sedriel
I think it depends on the person. Each person deals with things in a different way so how they accept their Kin-ness if they do at all is entirely upto them.

I was about 7 when I realised that the teachers and the vicar were talking a load of cobblers and went from there quietly repelling all religious borders until I was experienced enough to say no this is not for me out loud and have a decent argument to go with it.
I was in School and 13 when I refused to bow my head for their prayers and then told my R.E teacher that I wouldn't do any work which was not an anthropological study of religion rather than his religious headbanging (I didn't phrase it quite like that)
So I only did work that was studying the ideas behind different religions and not the huge quantities of copying the bible he would have had me doing otherwise.

Coming to and reading places and works like this means you have already made the step to want to know more about yourself so you automatically start to change your views of Kin-ness and how it affects you.
By that point I think religion has very little to do with it other than to cause perhaps inner turmoils over what you feel and what you have been taught.
Of course occasionally it causes huge arguments or debates on the forums involved too.

Zygo

To CTM:

Well I've been there, it's only made me stronger. Of course it's been hard sometimes but in the end all it did was teach me was to fight for what I myself believe in, and not to let anyone else tell me what's right and wrong.

Zygo, that may be true, but I think I was just lucky to have gotten through it all without breaking in one manner or another. Sure everyone deals with it in similar ways, but I mean out here you may be shunned, but in the Middle East, where we all originated, you're probably more likely to get killed if anyone who isn't supposed to finds out about your beliefs.

I'm not sure I understand this reference.

We who originated in the Middle East??

Mesopotamia, mainly Iraq. A lot of things started there. Both Falls took place in that area, and most otherkin originated there, at least their existance on this plain.

Though I'm not quite sure about the Elves, don't know much about them...

But that's only what you believe Sedriel.
I am a Vampire and therefore can only speak for my kin, but we did not originate in the Middle East.
I know that you will believe what you believe no matter what I say and I completely respect that, but I know exactly where my race of kin originated, I have been there, and I PROMISE you it was NOT the Middle East.
However even if I did not have the knowledge of where I came from there is one major problem I can see with this theory straight away as far as Vampires are concerned, and that is that most of us are light sensitive to a greater or lesser extent. Mostly greater!
So there not being very much cloud and rain in the Middle East and that leading to an uncomfortable over abundance of sunshine.....I really cannot see Vampires beginning their existence there. Sorry, but not at all.
As for Elves...well I suppose you would have to ask an Elf. And next time I see her I'll be sure and do that.
Just as a matter of interest does anyone else of any other kin race have a theory on origins of the species? I have said that Vampires originated elsewhere, but are we the only ones who have?
And before anyone posts up Vampires do not come from Romania/Transylvania either. At least not originally.

Some point you've got there, though I think it is somewhat safe to assume that the climate there has probably changed quite a bit over thousands of years, right?

And yes, as expected I'm sticking to my story. According to what I've learned and believe, vampyres originated from the Fallen, and since the Fall did take place in the Middle east... Well it's a logical assumption. Now I am willing to consider that perhaps some incarnated Fallen, or even Fallen in their true form have also had children with humans at a later point in time, and therefore there might be multiple places where vampyres, weres and the like originated, though I'm not entirely sure of this...it's just a thought I'm having right now. I'd really like to year more about your theory on this.

Another thing... I know you're the moderator here...but erm...

That does seem rather off topic, doesn't it?

Not trying to be a smartass in case you're wondering, just my thoughts.

Love,

Sed

From what I believe the fallen originated from Vampires. So I suppose that's a stale mate.
I do not believe in the theory that otherkin all came from some kind of bizarre 'mating' between fallen and humans.
Otherkin pre-date humans by many thousands of years, so that would be completely impossible.
Even if you ignore the otherkin evolution which I know about, please explain, if you can, by your theory, where neolithic, prehistoric, cro-magnon man came from? Are you saying these were the people your fallen mated with?
If they were not then where did they come from? Who were they and where did they go?

And if you were to check the climate studies done from core samples taken in the regions you're talking about you'll find that the climate has not changed at all in the time between then and now. So no it isn't safe to make assumptions of any kind!

Lastly the off topic accusation is a serious one to level at a moderator.
I merely asked if anyone had any ideas. I did not say the answers were to be posted here.
I had assumed that since everyone knows the rules about taking a thread off topic that they would exercise some common sense and post answers in a new thread.
I hope I have not given some of the members more credit for common sense than they deserve??? No! I'm sure I haven't.

I think that it is a good thing for a mod to have a serious allegation levelled at them now and again, it keeps us on our toes....and I seem to have had one or two in my time

And I think that that it is asking a tiny bit too much of members....me included I would have to admit...to expect them to read a question in one place and post the response somewhere else.

I actually seem to recall that this or a similar question has been asked before somewhere...about theories on the origin of the species so to speak. I have had a quick look but cant find it so I have started a new thread just to make is easy on you all to know where to post your comments if you have any.